Update on DoLeaf progress

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I actually got a request on Hacker News to write up a “where are we now” on DoLeaf. Since I’m an egotistical bastard who loves talking about his projects, here I am with an update. But, since I’m also an entrepreneur, I’m going to try and use you, the reader, to my benefit!

Timeline

Before launching into the particulars, let me lay out the timeline. DoLeaf as an idea was born around September of 2008. The business was officially founded and coding started around January 2009, and we officially launched into our beta in July of 2009. So, we’re a little over a year into it now. So, for all you get-rich-quickies, stop reading now, since this is a story of the long-view, not a 6-month hockey stick fairy tale.

Recruiting Sellers

We knew the hardest part initially would be getting sellers to sign up. Fortunately for us, it seems that we were right to assume that there was a need unserved out there.

As of now, we have 11 active stores, and a couple more that are finalizing their preparations before going live. Overall, the response has been very positive from the nursery community. They see the value in what we’re offering, and it’s definitely a nicer alternative for them than paying some shady consultant $1000s to set up a rickety online shopping cart.

We also hired a marketing consultant to help us reach out to the sellers via magazines and such. Overall, we’ve been very pleased with her work and it allowed us to recruit our first crop of sellers. Believe me, your first user is 1000x harder to recruit than your 100th. It’s hard to convince someone to be the first to jump.

Where are these orders coming from?

We’ve done essentially no marketing or advertising to buyers. Instead, we’ve been focusing on recruiting sellers in order to make sure we have a robust catalog of listings. We knew we had a chicken(sellers) v egg(buyers) problem, so we decided to try and find some chickens.

Even still, we’ve had a fairly brisk pace of orders. I’m not going to list actual numbers, but suffice it to say that we expected pretty much 0 orders (aside from friends’ whose arms we twisted) without advertising. The brisk (and increasing) pace was pretty baffling until we looked into how the customers were arriving.

SEO is still King

We forgot to factor in the power of SEO + targeted searching. Initially, we had hoped to place high for search phrases like “garden marketplace” or “buy plants online“.

Imagine our surprise to find out that we placed high for things like “siam ruby banana” or “peachy sunrise daylily“. Moreover, the conversion rates for these terms is crazy high. Of course anyone familiar with search engine marketing can see why. People searching for very specific things have money in hand ready to buy. People wanting a Siam Ruby Banana can have one ordered in a couple clicks.

We also (on the advice of a savvy seller) decided to submit our listings to Google Product Search. It took an hour or so to whip up an Atom feed that they crawl. Sales started rolling in the very next day. Every day I love Google a little bit more.

Forget Social Media

Initially we had planned to try and be all kinds of social savvy. Forget it. Now that we’ve seen the power of SEO, we’re going to walk that road. Antiquated? Old-school? Maybe so, but I’m convinced that DoLeaf can corner the market on a good chunk of plant botanical names. I’m confident that we can be on Google page 1 when you search on a botanical or common name of a plant we carry. I’m much less confident that I can get people on Twitter to fawn all over us and fan us on Facebook. That’s fine with me, though. We’re looking for sales, not fans.

Overwhelming Enthusiasm

For better or worse, we’ve got one star seller who is pushing DoLeaf to the max. We expected most sellers to list a handful of plants and take a wait-and-see approach. For the most part, that’s what they’ve done.

…Except for one. One seller found DoLeaf and turned the dial up to 11. He’s listed over 300 plants, and accounts for probably 75% of our total listings. Not surprisingly, he also accounts for the lion’s share of our sales. It’s a little scary, but exhilarating at the same time. He sees the same potential that we do, and really believes in what we’re doing. I just hope that we can make it worth the time he’s invested. As always, I’m more worried about disappointing our users than about making a profit. I’m a firm believer that if our sellers are successful and happy, then it’s impossible for DoLeaf to fail.

Buyers: The Next Frontier

Now that we’ve got a decent selection of plants, we’re ready to turn our focus toward enticing buyers. We’re going to..wait for it…try and reach people offline. This is a bit of a stretch for us, but we’ve been reminded over and over that the gardening community still has a very strong physical presence. So, we’re talking to print magazine editors, going to local gardening meetings, and generally trying to get more involved with the real-life of gardening. It can be difficult, but at the very least, I’m learning more about plants, which is a subject I truly enjoy. You can see me outside at all hours of the day inspecting my tulip bulbs and climbing roses.

I’m not sure how successful we’ll be in our buyer outreach, but the fact that our SEO efforts are proceeding so well gives me confidence that even if we fail as advertisers, we’ll still do OK on sales.

YC 2k10?

Since most people reading this will be coming from Hacker News, I’ll go ahead and say that we’re planning on applying yet again for YCombinator. However, I’m going to be smart about it this time, unlike before. I’m going to dust off our previous application, edit some dates, and resubmit. Then I’ll forget about it. We’ll probably do the same with TechStars.

Why so little effort? Because at this point I’m confident that we don’t need them. We could definitely use the help, but we’ve crossed the barrier of proving it could work. Now all we have to do is show that we have the skill and perseverance to be the ones to actually make it work.

Wanna Help?

Since our SEO efforts are proving so fruitful, I’m going to ask for your help. If you have a blog, please write a short post about DoLeaf. Pick out some crazy plants (here are a few specimens) and link to them from a blog post. That’s it! We’ll be eternally grateful, and you’ll be helping a small startup, as well as the small, family-owned businesses we serve. It counts as your good deed for the day.

What we did to (not) get into Techstars – Part 2

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In Part 1 of DoLeaf’s TechStars story, I covered “the facts.” I tried to dispassionately catalog what we did during the application process, in order to provide some comparisons for teams that are considering applying. In this installment, I’m going to examine whether or not it was good for us to apply, and why.

There are a few ways to look at this, and I’m going to try and be brutally honest and not take the “It was a fun learning experience” way out. I don’t want to offend the powers-that-be, but at the same time, I want there to be more honest info out there for confused entrepreneurs like myself.

Random Thoughts

I can’t figure out how to organize this post, so I’m just going to toss a bullet list out and let you figure it out for yourself. Some are examples of things we did wrong. When I say “wrong,” I mean wrong for our team, not wrong for the application process. They might have increased our chances of acceptance, but obviously not enough to get in. Other points are pieces of advice that I would give to anyone applying.

Techstars for a Day

I think it was a mistake for all of us (or any of us) to go to TS4AD. It was fun to meet up and go to Boulder, and I got to meet Drew (who has done so much for us), but it was pretty expensive. I guess we all have day jobs so we can afford it. However, if you’re a struggling bootstrapper reading this and trying to decide whether or not to go to TS4AD, just realize that even if you go, the odds are still stacked against you. In addition to the expense, we also lost several days worth of productivity. As always, I recommend focusing on your project and keeping your head down into your work.

Sweating the small stuff

We quibbled and fought sometimes over the emails that we were going to send to David or Brad. We’d edit them a couple times to put our best foot forward. I’m a nitpicky editor, and Sarah got tired of my harping on small issues in the emails. Time spent on this was not time spent working on DoLeaf, and it caused friction in the team. What did we get for it? Nothing.

Invest your time wisely

As a startup, time is your most precious resource. If you’re a bootstrapper like we are, then you’ve only got a precious few hours each night and on the weekend to do your work. It’s amazing what you can do, but it still takes time.

We didn’t track how much time we spent on TechStars related work, but I would guess that all the emails, discussion, and planning took a lot of time. Further, TS4AD took two days for each of us, totaling six work days. That’s a pretty big time investment. In two days of straight work I could have probably added 2-3 big features, like integrated shipping controls or an intra-site messaging service. Plus, I wouldn’t be writing this jaded blog post right now and would be working, instead ;)

The illusion of progress

David strongly suggested sending him and all the mentors regular updates regarding our progress. When we initially posted our application we already had a working demo. In the final month of the application process we completed several major milestones. However, these features were often subtle and not frontpage eye popping changes. Hence, after submitting our application, we never had major dramatic changes that jump out at you. We assume the TechStars folks had hundreds of applications to sort through and little time to do a daily checkup on progress. So, since ours looked the same time after time, it probably gave the impression that we were doing nothing.

There are two options when dealing with this: organize your work to show new zazz on the frontend every few days, or work like hell on what you think needs it and hope it shows. Option one is better for your TechStars application, while option two is better for your company. Guess which one I recommend?

Never compromise your vision!

If you do apply, and give it 110% like we did, you’ll probably end up getting some advice from David or the other Techstars people. In our case, none of the advice was contrary to our vision, so we went ahead and followed some of it. However, if you’re unsure about any of the advice, discard it. At the application stage, they’re just not invested enough in your idea, so their advice has to be weighted as such. Well intentioned, sure, but not to be taken as gospel.

You can’t get them excited

Don’t go out of your way to get the mentors excited. We tried hard to keep them in the loop and get them excited, but I don’t think it worked all that well. My advice would be to let your work speak for itself. If your idea is exciting to them, they’ll seek you out for more info. If they don’t find your idea or team exciting, then there’s probably nothing you can do to change that.

Read the responses (or lack thereof) to get a clue as to their excitement level. We should have picked up on this early on, but we were blinded by our own excitement. See David’s comments below and you’ll see that he and the others didn’t go nuts over a plant marketplace. There is really no way for us to change that. No sense trying.

The cost in morale of rejection

There are no units to measure here, but this is probably the second highest cost, next to time. When you’re doing a nights-and-weekends project for no money (yet), the only thing you have to keep you going is your excitement. Anything that endangers team morale should be considered a big threat.

We did our best to keep expectations low, but we inevitably started to make plans around TechStars. We daydreamed about what it would be like to hang out in Boulder. I thought about the envy my fellow startup guys in Atlanta would feel when DoLeaf got selected. Sarah and I discussed what we would do with our house during the summer. Looking back now, I remember having some of these same sorts of thoughts when buying a lottery ticket.

So, when the rejection letter came, it was a kick in the nuts. All of us were very disappointed, and it’s hard to work when you’re sad. We’ve recovered now, but there’s always the danger that you just quit working. I’m not afraid of that for our team, but I’ve seen it happen to others.

Actively plan your life as if you won’t get in

Hopefully, it should go without saying that you shouldn’t plan your life as if you’ll get in. Don’t quit your job, sell your house, give away your dog, or anything like that. But, more than that, you should actively plan as if you won’t get in. This means signing up for things and making plans that conflict with TechStars. In my case, I signed up for a 200 mile AIDS charity bike ride and a yearly 10k run. If accepted to TechStars, I would have had to pull out of both. But, we didn’t get in, and chances are that we wouldn’t, so I’m glad I didn’t put the rest of my life on hold. Think of it as hedging your bets. If you get accepted, it will be a happy occasion to cancel your conflicting events. If you get rejected, you didn’t leave a big gaping hole in your schedule.

Meeting with Drew

On a happy note, my favorite part of the whole process was meeting with Drew of Fifth Street Creative. Drew and Ryan have been friends for a long time, and Drew has done some great work on Obsidian Portal as well as DoLeaf. He happens to live near Boulder, so we got to go see him when we went to TS4AD. I had meant to thank him somehow for all his work, but my thanks ended up being sleeping in his guest room and drinking his beer. I’m a real gentleman, aren’t I?

Was it the right choice?

Any question like this has to be evaluated in the context of what you knew when you first started. Here’s what we knew:

  • We have an excellent team.
  • We have past execution experience. Obsidian Portal is a profitable startup and still growing.
  • Our team is 2/3 technical, which is the exact ratio that Brad Feld recommended.
  • We had an existing prototype, and were just entering a closed beta.
  • Our idea has potential revenue from day one. It’s not earth-shattering, but it’s definitely something that can make money.
  • Techstars had selected a similar team with similar idea in the past. This can be seen as both a positive and a negative.

In addition, we didn’t know the exact numbers (527 applications, 20 selections, <4% acceptance), but we did know the odds were stacked against us.

In short, we have all the markers of a TechStars selection. So, at the time, we thought our chances were at least as good as anyone else. We were not starting with any handicaps.

Starting with all the info we had, I think there is a clear answer to the “Was it right?” question. I think we did the right thing in applying, but that we handled the application poorly. We worked on it too hard. We should have invested less time in the application process and more time in our project. The morale hit would have been easier to bear and the project would be further along at this point.

Concluding Thoughts

Applying to a seed stage program can be useful, but can also be a big waste of time. In order to be seriously considered, it seems that you need to put in a lot of effort, at least for TechStars anyway. For us, we spent a lot of time, but didn’t get selected.

I could say it was a learning experience, but I really didn’t learn all that much. Plus, most of what I learned came from the people at Foodzie. They were (and continue to be) extremely helpful. This is not a dig on TechStars, it’s just my opinion that, as far as “learning experiences” go, the TechStars application process had a low return compared to the time investment. The same was true of our Y-Combinator application, although we spent much less time on that. What I did learn (or re-learn) is the main thrust of this blog post: Invest your time wisely!

Perhaps I’m just conservative, but I prefer to spend my time on things with a higher probability return. Coding, advertising, promotion, and customer interaction all have some sort of guaranteed benefit for the time you invest. With these seed stage programs, you can spend a lot of time (like we did) and come up empty handed (like we did). That kind of all-or-nothing activity is something I prefer to avoid. Granted, I do recognize that in the improbable chance we were selected by TechStars this would have been a completely different post about how the investment was worth every hour spent. Then again, I’m guessing most lottery winners will tell you it’s a good idea to buy lottery tickets.

The one main benefit to the process is the initial application form. Both the forms for YCombinator and TechStars force you to think about your idea in a little depth. From that perspective, filling out the form is useful, like writing a business plan. It will help you come up with a revenue model, elevator pitch, and competition evaluation. So, submitting the application is a great idea. However, after that, minimize your time investment on the application and instead spend that time working on your project.

Based on my experiences, here is what I would suggest as a way to maximize the benefit of an application:

  1. Fill out the application form, and save it somewhere for access in the future. Think of it as a business plan. Plus, you can re-use the application in future rounds.
  2. Get back to work and forget about the application.
  3. If the program sponsors contact you with questions, answer them quickly and concisely. Don’t quibble. Then get back to work.
  4. If the program sponsors invite you for an interview and offer to pay expenses, definitely go. They’re showing a lot of faith at this point. If they invite you to a meet-and-greet, go if it’s close, not if it’s far. Think hard before shelling our your bootstrap cash to buy a plane ticket, hotel, etc. After the interview/meeting, get back to work.
  5. Work some more.

If you get selected, that’s great. If not, that’s OK too, since your investment is minimal. Instead, you spent that time working on your project and are that much closer to a release / new feature / milestone / whatever.

Above all, remember that your startup is what defines your success, not acceptance into a program. In the end, if you can break free of the dayjob world and work for yourself on your own project, who cares if you’re a Y-Combinator / TechStars / Whatever company? The goal of all this is not to be associated with any particular seed stage program, the goal is to love what you do and work on something you’re passionate about. So go do that!

Addendum: David’s Feedback

Once we became one of the Non-Selected TechStar Applicants we followed up with David asking for some feedback on what we were lacking. Below are the questions we asked and David’s responses (reproduced with his permission):

Micah: The team – Do we look good on paper (in our application)? In person? By email? Do we have a good skillset? Where do we compare to other teams?

David: The team looked good on paper and better in person. ;-)

M: Past experience – We think this is one of our best areas, as we’re very proud of what we’ve done with Obsidian Portal, our other startup. Did this come across well? What are we missing? Does it count against us that we’re running one startup while pitching a second?

D: I had assumed that the first startup was not going to be your focus on you started on this, so I wouldn’t say it was a negative factor at all.

M: The idea – We’re afraid that our idea just isn’t that exciting. We think it’s definitely a good one, but not the sort of thing that gets most people jumping up and down. It appeals to a special niche, which
we think is a good thing. Was this a factor in the decision?

D: Exciting? Ecommerce for nurseries – yeah, maybe not the most exciting thing. But that doesn’t matter. Most investors I know (including us) look for markets over excitement – the old adage is “boring=revenue”. ;-)

M: Ability to execute – Again, we think our ability to go nose-to-the-grindstone and execute instead of blowing smoke is one of our strengths. Did that come across well? Did other teams do massively
more than us in the application time span?

D: You guys did a lot during our diligence process, which is why you scored highly. But yes, I would say other teams advanced their technology much more rapidly during this timeframe. Obviously, it’s hard to judge just be that – but it’s one component.

Comments

I’d love to hear what you think about all this. I especially welcome comments from other rejected-but-successful companies out there. The chosen few Accepted often come out in support of their seed stage program, but like I said, lottery winners encourage you to buy lottery tickets, too.

What we did to (not) get into Techstars

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Like many others, DoLeaf applied to TechStars this year with the hope that we would be inducted into the inner circle of blessed seed stage startups. Alas, it was not to be. As David Cohen puts it, we’re not rejects, we’re just non-selected. From our perspective, it’s a bit of semantic gymnastics, but oh well.

In any case, while applying, we read Foodzie’s Act Like an Underdog post and found it very helpful from a perspective of what they did to get into TechStars. In the interest of providing a control group, here’s what we did to NOT get into Techstars.

Note: While this is geared at TechStars in particular, we’ve also been rejected by Y-Combinator, so we’ve got experience with rejection and can therefore make a few generalizations. ;)

Note 2: There may be a little sarcasm sprinkled here and there, but by and large, this post is intended to seriously be a guide that others can use when determining how to approach applying to a seed stage program. This is our way of giving back what we can to the startup community. I’m following in the footsteps of someone I admire greatly, Failed Startup Guy (my name for him, given with the utmost respect). He gave it a shot, failed, and then was honest and brutal about what went wrong. That takes real guts.

The idea and the team

Essentially, DoLeaf is a marketplace for people to find and buy plants from independent garden centers and nurseries. There are a lot of smaller growers out there that want to sell over the web, but don’t want to deal with managing their own website. So, DoLeaf allows them to easily set up branded storefronts and begin selling immediately.

Yes, we’re similar to Etsy. Yes, we’ve heard of Foodzie. In fact, the people from Foodzie have been incredibly helpful.

The DoLeaf team is composed of Ryan, Me (Micah), and my wife Sarah. In case you’ve missed our previous postings, Ryan and I have successfully collaborated on our first startup, Obsidian Portal, for about 3 years now. Obsidian Portal is profitable, growing, and a lot of fun. We’re actually quite popular in our niche. Sarah is an avid gardener and able to speak the lingo and engage with the sellers to bring them in. She has been managing DoLeaf’s Twitter account, blog, and our outreach efforts, with a lot of success.

Our team has a proven track record of success. We’ve got the technical skill, the domain knowledge, and the grit to work nights and weekends while holding down day jobs. Our idea has a simple and obvious business model and will generate revenue from day one. In short, I think our team and idea are a perfect fit for a seed-stage entrepreneur program.

Pre-Techstars for a Day

Before TS4AD, we applied early (about a month before the deadline) and then exchanged a handful of emails to David. At this point, DoLeaf was a beta site with user accounts, stores, and the absolute basics. Still, it was a working site and not just an idea on the back of a napkin.

We also exchanged some emails with Emily of Foodzie. She was very helpful (and continues to be), and we asked her to send a letter of introduction on our behalf to David. We wanted to do everything possible to get the inside track.

Finally, we researched several of the TechStars mentors and picked one or two that we thought would be a good fit for us. We followed them on Twitter, started reading their blogs, and determined to meet them at TS4AD, if we got invited.

The culmination of this was an invitation to TechStars for a Day (TS4AD).

Techstars for a Day

We decided that we would all go to TS4AD, in order to show how committed we were. Plus, we have a great team and we wanted to get that across in person.

At TS4AD, we brought great business cards. To spice them up, Sarah made packets of Money Plant seeds and attached them to the cards. It was quite clever, if I do say so myself.

We talked to David twice, Brad once, and a handful of others, making a hard sell for DoLeaf. We handed out a dozen cards and mingled somewhat with the other teams. We tried very hard to make sure that David and Brad had heard our name several times. Repetition is simple, but surprisingly effective.

In the evening, we went to the Boulder New Tech Meetup, but left early to meet with our graphics designer in Fort Collins, CO. If you’re trying to get noticed for TechStars, there’s not much opportunity at the Boulder New Tech Meetup, although it was cool to see how much support there is for the Boulder startup community. Similar events in Atlanta wouldn’t be near the same size.

March – Deadline

Following TS4AD, we decided to give 110% to our TechStars application. That took the form of constant updates and emails to David and Brad. We averaged about one every two days, with follow ups to every email they sent.

We also moved DoLeaf into a closed beta where we invited some potential sellers to sign up, create a test store, and give us feedback. We got about three sellers to sign up, and their feedback continues to be invaluable. We made sure to notify David every time we got some feedback from a tester. We wanted to show that we were making progress on the promotional front, and not just on the technical aspects.

As instructed, we sent beta invite codes to Brad and David. They both signed up and played with the site at least once, and sent along some feedback. David went through the entire workflow to verify that our payment processing actually existed. For feedback, David said the images were loading slowly, so I went ahead and moved us to a CDN (Amazon CloudFront) to speed up load times. In addition, I made an addition to attachment_fu and got the patch accepted. We made sure to notify David, in order to show that we were supporters of open source (which we are!)

Finally, we discussed incorporation options with David. We asked about the differences between LLC, S, and C corporations. Plus, we mentioned our decision to implement a vesting schedule for all the founders, which David wholeheartedly supported.

By the end of the application period, we had gone from a basic site with some browsing to a closed beta with three test sellers, payment processing, a CDN, much better browsing, and a much better design. So, in my opinion, we made a crap-ton of progress over the course of the application period. Unfortunately, much of this was backend plumbing and didn’t involve a lot of zazz on the front end. I think that may have given a false impression that we were cooling our heels, when in fact we were busting our asses.

The decision

As I said before, the outcome of all of this was a “non-selection” for TechStars. On March 30, we received a letter from TechStars breaking the bad news to us. It was a major disappointment. We’re definitely continuing with the idea and are still very excited, but rejection is hard, plain and simple.

The point?

My whole point in writing this post was to give a comparison for a TechStars non-selection. There are plenty of selected companies to compare yourself to (although little information about their applications or status prior to acceptance), but precious little info on the companies that applied but got turned down.

So, when deciding whether or not to apply, and what to do (or not do), please use our experience as a guideline. The TechStars application process is extremely competitive, and it’s best to realize that up front. Don’t kid yourself that just because your friends tell you your idea is awesome, it is automatically better than 500 other awesome ideas. You’re running with the Big Dogs, and chances are you’ll get left behind. It’s just statistics. Plain, simple, brutal statistics.

Next: The Analysis

I’ve tried to be careful to keep this post as objective as possible. It is meant to be a catalog of what we did. In the follow up, I dive into the critical analysis of whether or not it was a good idea for us. I do my best to adhere to my New Year’s Resolution, but I’m still a little disappointed from being rejected, so you’ll have to be the judge. So, go read part 2!

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